. >> if you go over the fiscal cliff you also get another roughly $600 billion in savings from the pentagon, military spending. what is your own view about whether or not this country and its government should be prepared to go beyond the 487 billion the president initially targeted in terms of reductions in defense spending and go further, something closer to that 600 billion figure? >> well, i do think there are additional savings to be made in defense spending. as you indicated we did $487 billion in reductions as part of the original budget control act, and it's important to be clear that those reductions were reduction from projected increase. it wasn't a reduction from the baseline. if you go off the fiscal cliff, it's about another $500 billion. simpson-bowles, essential had as much savings and defense as if he went over the fiscal cliff. they have another 500 billion simpson-bowles what's also important to them so that was part of the simpson-bowles framework. first of all, this of course is just in a responsible way to deal with cuts, whether defense or nondefense because it gets a